Showing posts with label resurrection. Show all posts
Showing posts with label resurrection. Show all posts
Friday, April 5, 2013
Friday Mentionables: Resurrection (again!), Inerrancy, and moar
Posts on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Biblical inerrancy, Euphemisms and moar.
Biblical Inerrancy and the Resurrection
New Rasmussen poll: 13% drop in belief in the resurrection since last Easter
What do Christians mean when they say "resurrection?"
Euphemisms: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Virtue and Romance: Allan Bloom on Jane Austen and Aristotelian Ethics
Isaiah 14:27 and Therapeutic Theology
Wednesday, April 3, 2013
New Rasmussen poll: Fewer people believe in the resurrection since last easter
Fewer people believe in the resurrection since last easter (2012). To think of the man Jesus of Nazareth resurrected from the dead by God is just as crazy as believing the man Shredder returned from the dead in the TMNT movie. It's crazy right?
h/t Wintery Knight's post on the Rasmussen poll
Excerpt
The following is from the post: Thinking about the Resurrection
What about the group appearances? Do the group appearances undermine the hallucination theory? I don't think so. Groups of people claim to see the mother mary in re-fried beans right?
If you and I were looking at clouds and I say, "Hey, see that dinosaur?" You might would say, "Nope. Oh, wait a minute, yeah I do." Remember this answer though in argument (3) "Five hundred separate Elvis sightings may be dismissed, but if five hundred simple fishermen in Maine saw, touched and talked with him at once, in the same town, that would be a different matter. (The only other dead person we know of who is reported to have appeared to hundreds of qualified and skeptical eyewitnesses at once is Mary the mother of Jesus [at Fatima, to 70,000]. And that was not a claim of physical resurrection but of a vision.)" I think the numbers are important in this argument against the hallucination theory. If just a few people were witnesses to this resurrection, then the hallucination rebuttal would be weighty and effective, but given the data we have, I don't find it to be weighty and effective.
I
must give credit where credit is due. I learned a lot about the
rebuttal to the hallucination theory from a discussion between Greg
Koukl and Sam Harper on the radio show, "Stand to Reason." Harper's
printed work can be found here.
Is the evidence for the resurrection perfect? No, but given the data we
have, I'm convinced that God raised Jesus from the dead.
h/t Wintery Knight's post on the Rasmussen poll
Excerpt
A study released by the Rasmussen Reports polling firm on Good Friday found that 64% of Americans believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.I don't focus on the resurrection very much on this blog. I do have a few resources though. If you're unsure of the credibility of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, the debate video below, I think, gives the best arguments for both camps. Check it out.
While Americans who believe in the resurrection remain in the majority, that number is down significantly when compared to a Rasmussen Poll that asked the same question, released a year ago.
On April 7th, 2012 Rasmussen released a poll finding that 77% of Americans believed the resurrection of Christ to be historical fact.
The difference between the two polls shows a 13 percentage point drop in the number of Americans who believe that Christ rose from the dead, since last Easter.
Additionally, this year’s poll found that 19% of Americans reject the central tenant of the Christian faith and do not believe that Christ was resurrected. That’s compared to only 7% who said they didn’t believe that Christ rose from the dead a year ago. A staggering 12 percentage point jump.
The following is from the post: Thinking about the Resurrection
If Jesus of
Nazareth was not bodily raised from the dead, then Christianity would be
"dead." Paul of Tarsus wrote to the Corinthians "...if Christ has not
been raised, your faith is worthless," and "...we should be pitied more
than anyone." Strong conclusions huh? If Jesus Christ has not been
raised, then Christianity is not worth living, much less thinking about.
True, the arguments for God are not thrown out the window, but as far
as I know, one could not argue for *Christian* theism without the
resurrection of Jesus.
Theologian R.C. Sproul wrote,
"The claim
of resurrection is vital to Christianity. If Christ has been raised
from the dead by God, then He has the credentials and certification
that no other religious leader possesses. Buddha is dead. Mohammad is
dead. Moses is dead. Confucius is dead. But, according to Christianity,
Christ is alive." 1
We
understand how important the doctrine of the resurrection is. How do we
know it happened? Can we know? Given the evidence we have I think we
can. Generally, apologists use the "minimal facts" approach to the
argument for the resurrection of Jesus, which are the following: the
empty tomb, the appearances and the early belief in the resurrection.
Given my rookie status as a defender for the resurrection of Jesus of
Nazareth by God, I'm going to take a different approach, one I am most
comfortable arguing for and that is: given the data we have, the best
explanation for the appearances of Jesus is that it was Jesus Himself
that appeared to the disciples, the women, and the 500. What are some of
the other explanations for the appearances? The most popular one is
the hallucination hypothesis; this is the conclusion I want to make you
think about.
What
is a hallucination? Hallucinations are like dreams, they're
subjective. I can't see your dreams nor can you see mine, they happen
in the mind. There's no objective reality outside the mind that more
than one person could see. And since the appearances of Jesus happened
in groups, it could not have been a hallucination. Historians agree on
the appearances being seen by groups. In chapter 8 of the Handbook of
Christian Apologetics, Peter Kreeft and Fr. Ronald Tacelli gave thirteen arguments against the hallucination theory:
"(1)
There were too many witnesses. Hallucinations are private, individual,
subjective. Christ appeared to Mary Magdalene, to the disciples minus
Thomas, to the disciples including Thomas, to the two disciples at
Emmaus, to the fisherman on the shore, to James (his "brother" or
cousin), and even to five hundred people at once (1 Cor 15:3-8). Even
three different witnesses are enough for a kind of psychological
trigonometry; over five hundred is about as public as you can wish. And
Paul says in this passage (v. 6) that most of the five hundred are still
alive, inviting any reader to check the truth of the story by
questioning the eyewitnesses -- he could never have done this and gotten
away with it, given the power, resources and numbers of his enemies, if
it were not true.
(2) The witnesses were qualified. They were simple, honest, moral people who had firsthand knowledge of the facts.
(3) The
five hundred saw Christ together, at the same time and place. This is
even more remarkable than five hundred private "hallucinations" at
different times and places of the same Jesus. Five hundred separate
Elvis sightings may be dismissed, but if five hundred simple fishermen
in Maine saw, touched and talked with him at once, in the same town,
that would be a different matter. (The only other dead person we know of
who is reported to have appeared to hundreds of qualified and skeptical
eyewitnesses at once is Mary the mother of Jesus [at Fatima, to
70,000]. And that was not a claim of physical resurrection but of a
vision.)
(4) Hallucinations usually last a few seconds or minutes; rarely hours. This one hung around for forty days (Acts 1:3).
(5)
Hallucinations usually happen only once, except to the insane. This one
returned many times, to ordinary people (Jn 20:19-21:14; Acts 1:3).
(6)
Hallucinations come from within, from what we already know, at least
unconsciously. This one said and did surprising and unexpected things
(Acts 1:4,9) -- like a real person and unlike a dream.
(7) Not
only did the disciples not expect this, they didn't even believe it at
first -- neither Peter, nor the women, nor Thomas, nor the eleven. They
thought he was a ghost; he had to eat something to prove he was not (Lk
24:36-43).
(8) Hallucinations do not eat. The resurrected Christ did, on at least two occasions (Lk 24:42-43; Jn 21:1-14).
(9) The disciples touched him (Mt 28:9; Lk 24:39; Jn 20:27).
(10)
They also spoke with him, and he spoke back. Figments of your
imagination do not hold profound, extended conversations with you,
unless you have the kind of mental disorder that isolates you. But this
"hallucination" conversed with at least eleven people at once, for forty
days (Acts 1:3).
(11) The
apostles could not have believed in the "hallucination" if Jesus'
corpse had still been in the tomb. This is very simple and telling
point; for if it was a hallucination, where was the corpse? They would
have checked for it; if it was there, they could not have believed.
(12) If
the apostles had hallucinated and then spread their hallucinogenic
story, the Jews would have stopped it by producing the body -- unless
the disciples had stolen it, in which case we are back with the
conspiracy theory and all its difficulties.
(13) A
hallucination would explain only the post-resurrection appearances; it
would not explain the empty tomb, the rolled-away stone, or the
inability to produce the corpse. No theory can explain all these data
except a real resurrection. C.S. Lewis says,
"Any theory of hallucination breaks down on the fact (and if it is invention [rather than fact], it is the oddest invention that ever entered the mind of man) that on three separate occasions this hallucination was not immediately recognized as Jesus (Lk 24:13-31; Jn 20:15; 21:4). Even granting that God sent a holy hallucination to teach truths already widely believed without it, and far more easily taught by other methods, and certain to be completely obscured by this, might we not at least hope that he would get the face of the hallucination right? Is he who made all faces such a bungler that he cannot even work up a recognizable likeness of the Man who was himself?" (Miracles, chapter 16)
I
find the above 13 arguments to be satisfactory defeaters (all or some,
take your pick) for the hallucination theory. I don't intend to
reiterate what has been said in the arguments, but I will go over some
thoughts that have come to mind from reading other work on the
hallucination theory. Historian N.T. Wright makes a good point: if
people were individually claiming to see the risen Jesus, it's
inexplicable that these appearances seem to have suddenly stopped. If
people were going about claiming to have seen Jesus just to be trendy
and fit in (like owning an iPad), we shouldn't expect those claims to
all of a sudden stop. People would have been doing just that.
What about the group appearances? Do the group appearances undermine the hallucination theory? I don't think so. Groups of people claim to see the mother mary in re-fried beans right?
If you and I were looking at clouds and I say, "Hey, see that dinosaur?" You might would say, "Nope. Oh, wait a minute, yeah I do." Remember this answer though in argument (3) "Five hundred separate Elvis sightings may be dismissed, but if five hundred simple fishermen in Maine saw, touched and talked with him at once, in the same town, that would be a different matter. (The only other dead person we know of who is reported to have appeared to hundreds of qualified and skeptical eyewitnesses at once is Mary the mother of Jesus [at Fatima, to 70,000]. And that was not a claim of physical resurrection but of a vision.)" I think the numbers are important in this argument against the hallucination theory. If just a few people were witnesses to this resurrection, then the hallucination rebuttal would be weighty and effective, but given the data we have, I don't find it to be weighty and effective.
Maybe
the apostles saw something or somebody who resembled Jesus, and they
believed it was him. The problem with this reasoning is that the
apostles weren't expecting to see Jesus. One reason, as Bill Craig
often points out, is that Jews who believed in resurrection all seemed
to think of resurrection as an eschatological event. It was something
that happened on the last day, not in the middle of history. And the
resurrection was supposed to be general, not individual.
To
wrap up, I'll borrow from an illustration I heard listening to a
podcast: Think of somebody you know to have died, like a relative or
something. Maybe your parents. What would you honestly think if you saw
that person standing right in front of you right now? It seems like
you'd have a few options: you're dreaming. you're hallucinating, you're
seeing a ghost, the person never died to begin with, the person has
risen from the dead. Honestly, I would probably think I saw a ghost,
which is what the apostles first thought. They only believed after
touching the scars and such. I don't buy the hallucination theory. If we
only had the appearance to Paul, which was more like a vision, then I
probably would.
Sunday, March 31, 2013
Paul on the resurrection of Jesus Christ
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
- Paul of Tarsus, first letter to the Corinthian church
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
- Paul of Tarsus, first letter to the Corinthian church
Friday, March 29, 2013
Friday Mentionables: Speaking to a Calvinist; Zombies; and Jesus
This was was my favorite post of the week: How to Speak to Your Calvinist Friend
Sola Sisters: Check Your Jesus
Transhumans, Immortality, and Zombies
N.T. Wright lectures on the resurrection of Jesus: did Jesus rise from the dead?
Sola Sisters: Check Your Jesus
Transhumans, Immortality, and Zombies
N.T. Wright lectures on the resurrection of Jesus: did Jesus rise from the dead?
Friday, December 2, 2011
Thinking about the resurrection
If Jesus of Nazareth was not bodily raised from the dead, then Christianity would be "dead." Paul of Tarsus wrote to the Corinthians "...if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless," and "...we should be pitied more than anyone." Strong conclusions huh? If Jesus Christ has not been raised, then Christianity is not worth living, much less thinking about. True, the arguments for God are not thrown out the window, but as far as I know, one could not argue for *Christian* theism without the resurrection of Jesus.
Theologian R.C. Sproul wrote,
"The claim of resurrection is vital to Christianity. If Christ has been raised from the dead by God, then He has the credentials and certification that no other religious leader possesses. Buddha is dead. Mohammad is dead. Moses is dead. Confucius is dead. But, according to Christianity, Christ is alive." 1
We understand how important the doctrine of the resurrection is. How do we know it happened? Can we know? Given the evidence we have I think we can. Generally, apologists use the "minimal facts" approach to the argument for the resurrection of Jesus, which are the following: the empty tomb, the appearances and the early belief in the resurrection. Given my rookie status as a defender for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth by God, I'm going to take a different approach, one I am most comfortable arguing for and that is: given the data we have, the best explanation for the appearances of Jesus is that it was Jesus Himself that appeared to the disciples, the women, and the 500. What are some of the other explanations for the appearances? The most popular one is the hallucination hypothesis; this is the conclusion I want to make you think about.
What is a hallucination? Hallucinations are like dreams, they're subjective. I can't see your dreams nor can you see mine, they happen in the mind. There's no objective reality outside the mind that more than one person could see. And since the appearances of Jesus happened in groups, it could not have been a hallucination. Historians agree on the appearances being seen by groups. In chapter 8 of the Handbook of Christian Apologetics, Peter Kreeft and Fr. Ronald Tacelli gave thirteen arguments against the hallucination theory:
"(1) There were too many witnesses. Hallucinations are private, individual, subjective. Christ appeared to Mary Magdalene, to the disciples minus Thomas, to the disciples including Thomas, to the two disciples at Emmaus, to the fisherman on the shore, to James (his "brother" or cousin), and even to five hundred people at once (1 Cor 15:3-8). Even three different witnesses are enough for a kind of psychological trigonometry; over five hundred is about as public as you can wish. And Paul says in this passage (v. 6) that most of the five hundred are still alive, inviting any reader to check the truth of the story by questioning the eyewitnesses -- he could never have done this and gotten away with it, given the power, resources and numbers of his enemies, if it were not true.
(2) The witnesses were qualified. They were simple, honest, moral people who had firsthand knowledge of the facts.
(3) The five hundred saw Christ together, at the same time and place. This is even more remarkable than five hundred private "hallucinations" at different times and places of the same Jesus. Five hundred separate Elvis sightings may be dismissed, but if five hundred simple fishermen in Maine saw, touched and talked with him at once, in the same town, that would be a different matter. (The only other dead person we know of who is reported to have appeared to hundreds of qualified and skeptical eyewitnesses at once is Mary the mother of Jesus [at Fatima, to 70,000]. And that was not a claim of physical resurrection but of a vision.)
(4) Hallucinations usually last a few seconds or minutes; rarely hours. This one hung around for forty days (Acts 1:3).
(5) Hallucinations usually happen only once, except to the insane. This one returned many times, to ordinary people (Jn 20:19-21:14; Acts 1:3).
(6) Hallucinations come from within, from what we already know, at least unconsciously. This one said and did surprising and unexpected things (Acts 1:4,9) -- like a real person and unlike a dream.
(7) Not only did the disciples not expect this, they didn't even believe it at first -- neither Peter, nor the women, nor Thomas, nor the eleven. They thought he was a ghost; he had to eat something to prove he was not (Lk 24:36-43).
(8) Hallucinations do not eat. The resurrected Christ did, on at least two occasions (Lk 24:42-43; Jn 21:1-14).
(9) The disciples touched him (Mt 28:9; Lk 24:39; Jn 20:27).
(10) They also spoke with him, and he spoke back. Figments of your imagination do not hold profound, extended conversations with you, unless you have the kind of mental disorder that isolates you. But this "hallucination" conversed with at least eleven people at once, for forty days (Acts 1:3).
(11) The apostles could not have believed in the "hallucination" if Jesus' corpse had still been in the tomb. This is very simple and telling point; for if it was a hallucination, where was the corpse? They would have checked for it; if it was there, they could not have believed.
(12) If the apostles had hallucinated and then spread their hallucinogenic story, the Jews would have stopped it by producing the body -- unless the disciples had stolen it, in which case we are back with the conspiracy theory and all its difficulties.
(13) A hallucination would explain only the post-resurrection appearances; it would not explain the empty tomb, the rolled-away stone, or the inability to produce the corpse. No theory can explain all these data except a real resurrection. C.S. Lewis says,
"Any theory of hallucination breaks down on the fact (and if it is invention [rather than fact], it is the oddest invention that ever entered the mind of man) that on three separate occasions this hallucination was not immediately recognized as Jesus (Lk 24:13-31; Jn 20:15; 21:4). Even granting that God sent a holy hallucination to teach truths already widely believed without it, and far more easily taught by other methods, and certain to be completely obscured by this, might we not at least hope that he would get the face of the hallucination right? Is he who made all faces such a bungler that he cannot even work up a recognizable likeness of the Man who was himself?" (Miracles, chapter 16)
I find the above 13 arguments to be satisfactory defeaters (all or some, take your pick) for the hallucination theory. I don't intend to reiterate what has been said in the arguments, but I will go over some thoughts that have come to mind from reading other work on the hallucination theory. Historian N.T. Wright makes a good point: if people were individually claiming to see the risen Jesus, it's inexplicable that these appearances seem to have suddenly stopped. If people were going about claiming to have seen Jesus just to be trendy and fit in (like owning an iPad), we shouldn't expect those claims to all of a sudden stop. People would have been doing just that.
What about the group appearances? Do the group appearances undermine the hallucination theory? I don't think so. Groups of people claim to see the mother mary in re-fried beans right? If you and I were looking at clouds and I say, "Hey, see that dinosaur?" You might would say, "Nope. Oh, wait a minute, yeah I do." Remember this answer though in argument (3) "Five hundred separate Elvis sightings may be dismissed, but if five hundred simple fishermen in Maine saw, touched and talked with him at once, in the same town, that would be a different matter. (The only other dead person we know of who is reported to have appeared to hundreds of qualified and skeptical eyewitnesses at once is Mary the mother of Jesus [at Fatima, to 70,000]. And that was not a claim of physical resurrection but of a vision.)" I think the numbers are important in this argument against the hallucination theory. If just a few people were witnesses to this resurrection, then the hallucination rebuttal would be weighty and effective, but given the data we have, I don't find it to be weighty and effective.
Maybe the apostles saw something or somebody who resembled Jesus, and they believed it was him. The problem with this reasoning is that the apostles weren't expecting to see Jesus. One reason, as Bill Craig often points out, is that Jews who believed in resurrection all seemed to think of resurrection as an eschatological event. It was something that happened on the last day, not in the middle of history. And the resurrection was supposed to be general, not individual.
To wrap up, I'll borrow from an illustration I heard listening to a podcast: Think of somebody you know to have died, like a relative or something. Maybe your parents. What would you honestly think if you saw that person standing right in front of you right now? It seems like you'd have a few options: you're dreaming. you're hallucinating, you're seeing a ghost, the person never died to begin with, the person has risen from the dead. Honestly, I would probably think I saw a ghost, which is what the apostles first thought. They only believed after touching the scars and such. I don't buy the hallucination theory. If we only had the appearance to Paul, which was more like a vision, then I probably would.
I must give credit where credit is due. I learned a lot about the rebuttal to the hallucination theory from a discussion between Greg Koukl and Sam Harper on the radio show, "Stand to Reason." Harper's printed work can be found here. Is the evidence for the resurrection perfect? No, but given the data we have, I'm convinced that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Check out how the arguments for the bodily resurrection of Jesus play out in debates. The one below is a debate between William Lane Craig and Jame Crossley.
Check out how the arguments for the bodily resurrection of Jesus play out in debates. The one below is a debate between William Lane Craig and Jame Crossley.
If you don't like watching video you can listen to audio by downloading the mp3 file from Apologetics 315 here.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
What about a talking snake and donkey?
This question is usually projected to make the bible and theism in general look stupid, but you know when actually thought-over, the question is stupid. I know I say, "There aren't stupid questions, just stupid answers," but this question is foolish. Think about it. If one, like myself, is convinced that God exists, given the arguments, and then convinced that God raised Jesus from the dead given the arguments, then wouldn't a talking snake and donkey be probable? Couldn't God use those animals to make His points? Once God is realized, then miracles aren't thrown out the window. Now, if I had zero evidence for God and the resurrection, then yeah, it would be ludicrous for me to believe that a snake and donkey talked at some point in history; I completely understand that line of thinking. However, there is good evidence for God and also good evidence for the resurrection of Jesus.
The question must be asked and looked at in light of the whole scope of evidence for Christianity and when it is, one can understand the question is rather weak and does no harm at all to Christianity. I don't mean to insult the questioners because they are told the question is glorious and super-duper awesome defeater to throw at Christians. Well, it's actually not strong at all given the evidence we have for Christian theism.
I tried to keep the post short, but a friend of mine suggested I should list the basic arguments for Christianity; I thought it was good advice. I'm going to give quick summaries of the arguments for Christian theism; keep in mind, these are quick shots of much fuller arguments, so if you want to explore the arguments further click on the links I gave above and below.
1. The Cosmological Argument from Contingency
The cosmological argument comes in a variety of forms. Here’s a simple version of the famous version from contingency:
The question must be asked and looked at in light of the whole scope of evidence for Christianity and when it is, one can understand the question is rather weak and does no harm at all to Christianity. I don't mean to insult the questioners because they are told the question is glorious and super-duper awesome defeater to throw at Christians. Well, it's actually not strong at all given the evidence we have for Christian theism.
I tried to keep the post short, but a friend of mine suggested I should list the basic arguments for Christianity; I thought it was good advice. I'm going to give quick summaries of the arguments for Christian theism; keep in mind, these are quick shots of much fuller arguments, so if you want to explore the arguments further click on the links I gave above and below.
1. The Cosmological Argument from Contingency
The cosmological argument comes in a variety of forms. Here’s a simple version of the famous version from contingency:
- Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
- If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.
- The universe exists.
- Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3).
- Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God (from 2, 4)
2. The Kalam Cosmological Argument based on the beginning of the universe
- Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
- The universe began to exist.
- Therefore, the universe has a cause.
3. The moral argument based on moral values and duties
4. The teleological argument from fine-tuning
-the burial narrative
- crucifixion is lethal and you can’t fake being dead
- this doesn’t explain the early belief in the resurrection, since
a half-dead Jesus would not inspire a belief in the resurrection
2) Jesus’ disciples moved the body and lied about it
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
- it doesn’t explain why the early church was willing to be persecuted
3) The Jews moved the body and lied about it
- they had no interest in helping a rival sect
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
4) The Romans moved the body and lied about it
- they had no interest in helping a trouble-making sect
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
5) Somebody else moved the body
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
- there is no evidence to support the claim
6) The early church hallucinated the appearances
- group hallucinations are impossible
- it doesn’t explain the empty tomb
- it doesn’t explain the theological mutations about “resurrection”, since seeing a ghost does not imply a bodily resurrection
To learn more about the argument for the resurrection of Jesus click here.
*****Update*****
Commenter Mike brought to my attention the Presuppositional arguments! I forgot about that avenue of apologetics.
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
" transcendental argument...attempts to prove that the Christian God is the precondition of all human knowledge and experience, by demonstrating the impossibility of the contrary; in other words, that logic, reason, or morality cannot exist without God. The argument proceeds as follows:[2]
An overview of Van Til here.
Explore presuppositional apologetics by clicking here.
Keep in mind, I just gave the basic arguments without explaining the premises. I highly recommend checking out the links I've posted throughout this post.
Arguments for the existence of God: debate audio, lecture audio, and book reviews click here.
- If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
- Objective moral values and duties do exist.
- Therefore, God exists.
- The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either physical necessity, chance, or design.
- It is not due to physical necessity or chance.
- Therefore, it is due to design.
5. The ontological argument from the possibility of God’s existence to His actuality
- It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
- If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
- If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
- If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
- If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
- Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
For a more thorough explanation of each argument, I recommend clicking here. Dr. Craig explains each argument, then gives a refutation from Dawkins, and then refutes the objection made by Dawkins.
Arguments for the resurrection of Jesus
-the burial narrative
-the empty tomb
-the appearances
-the early belief in a bodily resurrection.
How do we explain those facts? Wintery Knight gives a rundown of the possible explanations and his critique.
1) Jesus wasn’t really dead- crucifixion is lethal and you can’t fake being dead
- this doesn’t explain the early belief in the resurrection, since
a half-dead Jesus would not inspire a belief in the resurrection
2) Jesus’ disciples moved the body and lied about it
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
- it doesn’t explain why the early church was willing to be persecuted
3) The Jews moved the body and lied about it
- they had no interest in helping a rival sect
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
4) The Romans moved the body and lied about it
- they had no interest in helping a trouble-making sect
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
5) Somebody else moved the body
- it doesn’t explain the appearance to Paul, etc.
- there is no evidence to support the claim
6) The early church hallucinated the appearances
- group hallucinations are impossible
- it doesn’t explain the empty tomb
- it doesn’t explain the theological mutations about “resurrection”, since seeing a ghost does not imply a bodily resurrection
To learn more about the argument for the resurrection of Jesus click here.
*****Update*****
Commenter Mike brought to my attention the Presuppositional arguments! I forgot about that avenue of apologetics.
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
" transcendental argument...attempts to prove that the Christian God is the precondition of all human knowledge and experience, by demonstrating the impossibility of the contrary; in other words, that logic, reason, or morality cannot exist without God. The argument proceeds as follows:[2]
- If there is no god, knowledge is not possible.
- Knowledge is possible (or some other statement pertaining to logic or morality).
- Therefore God exists.
We must point out that [non-theistic] reasoning itself leads to self-contradiction, not only from a theistic point of view, but from a non-theistic point of view as well... It is this that we ought to mean when we say that we reason from the impossibility of the contrary. The contrary is impossible only if it is self-contradictory when operating on the basis of its own assumptions.
—(A Survey of Christian Epistemology [Philadelphia: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1969], p. 204)" An overview of Van Til here.
Explore presuppositional apologetics by clicking here.
Keep in mind, I just gave the basic arguments without explaining the premises. I highly recommend checking out the links I've posted throughout this post.
Arguments for the existence of God: debate audio, lecture audio, and book reviews click here.
Arguments for the resurrection of Jesus: debate audio, lecture audio, and book reviews click here.
*Image take from this website.
Wednesday, June 22, 2011
William Lane Craig and James Crossley Resurrection Debate
Since I posted on the Craig and Ehrman debate on the resurrection of Jesus, I thought I would share a much better debate titled "Was Jesus bodily raised from the dead?" between William Lane Craig and James Crossley.
You can download the full mp3 here.
You can watch the video of the debate below.
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman resurrection debate transcript and audio
Recently, a friend and I watched the debate on the resurrection of Jesus between William Lane Craig and Bart D. Ehrman. I am familiar with the Christian side of the argument, so I was hoping to hear a good rebuttal to those arguments and understand why the skeptic wouldn't find the conclusion to the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus to be convincing. I didn't find any of that in this debate.
The debate is interesting because Bart didn't take the route I've heard skeptics take before, e.g., the eyewitnesses were hallucinating, instead he merely said that historians cannot have theological conclusions based on historical evidence. Even before Craig rebutted Bart's "point," I found his statement to be fallacious. Why? I found it fallacious because even though I'm not a historian, I can still draw the conclusion God raised Jesus from the dead based on the historical evidence for that conclusion; it simply doesn't follow that a historian cannot make that conclusion. Can one say it's historical? Not really, but you can make a conclusion based on the historical evidence that points to such a conclusion. Bart didn't make a good case in this debate. He was also overly emotional and would yell in attempt to make a "stronger" case, which only made me yawn. If one is going to yell in a debate, then all that shows me is the speaker knows his argument is weak so he has to beef it up with yelling and rhetoric.
The good thing about the debate is it shows how strong the case for the resurrection of Jesus is. I'm not into knock-down debates because I know there isn't going to be a good exchange of ideas (those are the debates I like), but if you aren't familiar with the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, I suggest reading or listening to this debate.
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